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I haven't said he was or wasn't ejected, all I am saying is to let the playes involved "duke" it out in a ring and settle it there. Personally, and this is my opinion, if someone was pinching, punching, biting, or whatever, I think I would have gotten up and body-slammed their a@@ on the ground. Like I said, that is my opinion.
Once a call is made...you can't just take it back.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bettyboop</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I might add that Robbins may not be able to play next week, but you won't for sure. </div></div>
Ohhhhhhhh SCHNAP! [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/shocked.gif[/img]
Think of football officials like pro wrestling referrees. It's their job to not see the heel's tag. They only catch the face running in after not seeing the tag.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: centennialdawg</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I haven't said he was or wasn't ejected, all I am saying is to let the playes involved "duke" it out in a ring and settle it there. Personally, and this is my opinion, if someone was pinching, punching, biting, or whatever, I think I would have gotten up and body-slammed their a@@ on the ground. Like I said, that is my opinion. </div></div>
That wasn't a reply to you centennialdawg, you just happened to be the last one that posted. It wasn't directed at anybody in particular.
I have seen the film and IMO it didn't warrant an ejection I was just stating what I have been told.
hitting, pinching, stomping, grabing vonerable areas THIS IS FOOTBALL mean and nasty if some guy pinches you then tell the ref and knock the hell out of the guy when you get a chance but if you push him or throw a punch(which is stupid because everyone is wearing helmets) you are going to get caught
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DawgforLife</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Listen BettyBoop or whatever the hell your name is. I didn't say anything negative about anyone. I just stated what I saw and heard. <span style='font-size: 14pt'>Pinching and bitting and everything goes on in the pile...that's football.</span> Our player didn't get caught and yours did...sorry...it happens. He was ejected though..the ref. signaled the ejection and honestly..if he gets to play..it's bs. It's not fair for the others that have been ejected in games. It was an obvious punch thrown and if he get's to play..I'll be very suprised. </div></div>
I will agree with you that a lot goes on in the bottom of the pile, but I would not call that football. It is just what can happen when you are unable beat someone man on man. But it is definately not football, just a bad part of the game.
I'm just wondering why you as a grown woman would go and bad mouth a child like that. If you are an adult you need to act like one.
And for your luck just be glad it wasn't my child you decided to bad mouth..
Ok I reserved comment on this incident until things had played out. First off, slowing the film down, frame by frame even, there was nothing that resembled a punch. If anything, and that's an if, it was a push off, which if pushes equivalent to what occurred resulted in players being ejected, we wouldn't have 11 players on most teams to finish the game. Even after watching it several times, it was hard to see anything warranting a personal foul, forget something that causes a player to be thrown out.
The Appy coaches were yelling before there was really a pile up. I honestly think the first ones yelled due to the way Clintwood handled the onside kick. Instead of trying to catch it and fall on it, the front line delivered a hit, with the second line being the ones who were trying to field it. I kind of think that since that isn't the way a lot of teams handle the onside, that they felt it was 'illegal'.
I thought it was kind of funny how Robbins managed to throw a punch while laying on the ball. Watching the film, 3 officials are standing over the pile as bodies are being pulled off. No flags were thrown during this. The referee got the ball from Robbins and when he got up it did look like there was a bump between him and the Appy player. No flags were thrown at this point. No Appy players were jumping and yelling. No Clintwood players were jumping and yelling. Robbins was actually over on the sidelines when the official threw the flag. The reason given when it was asked why he hadn't thrown the flag was he thought someone else already had. I'll give the official the benefit of the doubt that he thought that, but normally no matter what, you see flags thrown, thus the reason you see 3-4 flags on such a play. And a personal foul, you normally see the flags fly immediately and straight up in the air. It was actually like 1-2 of the Appy coaches were more concerned about getting a player from Clintwood ejected and considered that a victory of some sorts. Several people I spoke to from Appy, and more than 1 coach, seemed to be at a loss what escalated the situation. I think it was one of those situations where someone yells and everybody yells because they think something happened, swearing that they seen it. I think some of the Appy coaches knew that Clintwood had taken the high road in the last 2 weeks, subbing very liberally and allowing them, particularly in the Saturday game, kind of go into the offseason with a bit of something to build on, instead of a shutout by 40=50 points. Especially considering that Appy gets gutted by graduation, while Clintwood would return most of the team, and were not wanting to give the Clintwood players or staff to be having a chip on their shoulders when they met next year.
My guess would be since there wasn't a flag thrown initially and none was thrown until the Appy coaches were at midfield, that since there wasn't a second personal foul, it was a 15 yard personal foul and he was pulled by the Clintwood staff. Honestly, thats what I and quite a number of people thought the initial flag was on, the Appy coaches being at midfield.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: IBA WILDCAT*</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm just wondering why you as a grown woman would go and bad mouth a child like that. If you are an adult you need to act like one.
And for your luck just be glad it wasn't my child you decided to bad mouth.. </div></div>
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I didin't see the game, but I can tell you this, no coach should be allowed to just come out on the field like that unless there is an injury or the official calls him out there. I hope the kids gets to play next week and from what I have been hearing, I believe he will.
Now, with that being said, too many coaches think that they have every right in the world to do whatever they want. I am from Appy, but if you all will remember what I said when Austin took over the program at Appy, team discipline would go down the drain, and it looks like it has. He is not a coach; never has and never will be. I am sorry if this post offends any of the Appy faithful, but the truth is the truth. Yeah, Tom had his own personal problems, but when it came to coaching, he demanded discipline from his players. Austin was a "political" pick for that coaching job and everyone in Appy knows it. I am sorry folks, but if the people from Appy are ever gonna see any success in the football program up there, they need to run him off! Maybe someone from Appy still has the "balls" to stand up and start demanding answers. I am sorry, but 6-5 is not even a mediocre season for Appy.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I said when Austin took over the program at Appy, team discipline would go down the drain </div></div>
I didn't see anything wrong with the Appy kids. It from a fan in the stands standpoint, was a good, clean, sportsmanlike game. The only thing that was kind of sickening, was the way two of the Appy assistant coaches acted and how they held up the game for almost 10 minutes, not to mention after the penalty was enforced, the one hobbit coming out next to the hashmarkds, bending over and waving "bye, bye" toward Robbins on the sideline. Whatever happened in the pile happened and I don't think Derick or anyone else on the CW side would have wanted an ejection or even a penalty for it. As for the one person who suggested it was a "punch to the shoulder pads", oooooooooooh. That's not a punch. A punch is when you actually punch someone, not smack someone's shoulder pads. What sence would it make to punch someone's shoulder pads anyway???
Exactly
Anybody else see the irony of this argument and topic? A flag thrown by a ref for a penalty one group says never happened, feelings of getting the screws put to you for something you did not do. A feeling of being robbed and disbelief that everyone cant see it your way. Hoping against hope that good sense prevails. Sound familiar?
Irony? It happens every week.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: namaste1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Anybody else see the irony of this argument and topic? A flag thrown by a ref for a penalty one group says never happened, feelings of getting the screws put to you for something you did not do. A feeling of being robbed and disbelief that everyone cant see it your way. Hoping against hope that good sense prevails. Sound familiar? </div></div>
I've been sitting here thinking the same thing. Wow.
Anyone who finds it shocking or apalling that there is pinching, nad grabbing, eye poking, spitting, scratching etc. going on in a pile during a football game mush have never been in one. It goes on, and everyone ends up partaking whether they want to or not. But, you have to keep your cool, cuz there is some rude shiz happening in that pile.
Those who engage in this type of behavior need to go back and read the rules of the game. There is no need for this type of conduct, and nothing justifies it. I played many a game, but never did I sink this low. There are too many legal ways to hit someone in a football game to reduce oneself to this level. Just my opinion.
Apparently you never played on the offensive or defensive line in the LPD.
As a matter of fact I did. I was an All-district guard. I just felt it was better to man up and block than to worry about pinching somebody under a pile. I repeat that's not football...
Changes need to be made in Appy. It seems that what Appy has always stood for is being forgotten. It is not just a game. It is a way of life that is dieing. Bring Back the Tradition and bring back people that know the tradition, not people out for themselves.
I didn't go out there looking to mix it up...but when it got dirty, I got dirty with it...but playin center at 155 you'd better have a mean streak. Whether it's football or not, it's part of the game. That bein said, when it happens to ya, there's no sense in gettin mad over it...get even. There'll be more plays, and the same guys will be out there...
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Omnibus</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As a matter of fact I did. I was an All-district guard. I just felt it was better to man up and block than to worry about pinching somebody under a pile. I repeat that's not football... </div></div>
I agree.
You guys just see it differently then...but the way I see it, if someone is gonna smack me in the mouth..I'm smackin back when I get the chance. There is no place for being passive on a football field.
Is the Robinson kid going to be allowed to play this week?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You guys just see it differently then...but the way I see it, if someone is gonna smack me in the mouth..I'm smackin back when I get the chance. There is no place for being passive on a football field. </div></div>
Bingo- except it was 220 pound smack vs a 140 pound smack. I'm sure ALL Appy's coaches are blind. Everybody should get over it. The report didn't go in, the kid can play. When you won't quit on the whistle , folks are gonna get tired of it. I'm also sure there is some film from Appy's side of the field, if they wanna go that route, it gives a different view, one the CW fans didn't get. Lock the thread before it gets worse. Some of us had a different view and you can't just "erase" an ejection.
Who cares what size the players were...if you are on the field and you are starting your size doesn't matter. All I'm saying is that that kind of stuff goes on and folks react to it differently. I'm of the school of thought that one it happens you ask no quarter and you give no quarter. Some folks just let it happen to them and go on. But, the reality is, if you partake, don't get mad and whine about it...wait for the next pile and get some payback. I know that the sissification of society teaches us to turn the other cheek, but I don't see it that way. I don't condone the instigation of that type of play, but when it happens you just have to get dirty with em. You have to be smart in your retaliation, but football is a contact sport and that stuff happens.
"You have to be smart in your retaliation, but football is a contact sport and that stuff happens."
That might be my point. But don't expect a coach to let a kid to get punched after a play, either.
Well, IMO punching anyone after a play, or doing anything that is gonna get you tossed is foolish..gotta be smart..and doin that isn't being smart.
But it does ...and with the game in hand, why risk it.
With the game in hand, why even have starters out there that late ?
My point, you know the Appy kids were down and the guy(44) was determined to get the ball, even if the whistle blew. Coach needs his head examined. The refs sucked, one clip, the white hat 20 yards down field threw the flag as far as he could to make the call, even thou the black hat could touch the CWAppy players. To much piling on, just that it came at the worst moment for CW, and a guy they couldn't afford to lose.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: UKCats1</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Is the Robinson kid going to be allowed to play this week? </div></div> If he does ,and they win [img]/LDPforum/ubbthreads/images/%%GRAEMLIN_URL%%/grin.gif[/img] look out.
44 is not robinson ... watch out for what ????
I have no horse in the race, except for the slugging. Check JIB's last state game.
What about our last state game?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuds</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The refs sucked, one clip, the white hat 20 yards down field threw the flag as far as he could to make the call, even thou the black hat could touch the CWAppy players. </div></div>
If the guy is that far away, he's got no business making that call.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RaiderFan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What about our last state game? </div></div>Bad calls
Thanks...I kinda skimmed over the last few pages so I missed some of the posts, they were making my head hurt.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NotSoSilentBob</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuds</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> The refs sucked, one clip, the white hat 20 yards down field threw the flag as far as he could to make the call, even thou the black hat could touch the CWAppy players. </div></div>
If the guy is that far away, he's got no business making that call. </div></div>
It was so badly ignored , I guess he felt he should call something. It was a tackle from behind on a kick-off return. And a 20 point spread. Black hat must have been blind. When it gets to that point, someone should call SOMETHING. Just like the last call. It could have been avoided by flag before, and no ejection.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sup-rbeast</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With the game in hand, why even have starters out there that late ? </div></div>
Hands team on Kickoff return (Only play he was in the whole 4th qtr)